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May 02, 2011

Osama Is Dead - Random Thoughts

I hate that I don't feel...anything really

I know that this is not cause for celebration. When you put down a rabid animal, it is a job that needs done, and you do it without regret, but you should not be exultant about it.

Justice has been done, it was grim business, it was done, and now we should just move on. You don't celebrate. (nevermind when it actually happened)

The pictures on the web and on facebook with the Statue of Liberty holding Osama's head sicken me.

Then again, the fact that we have not been shown any good proof and that he was buried at sea leaves me feeling empty.

Sad too, that I am so cynical and disgusted with the government, and this pResident, that I find it awfully coincedental that they ANNOUNCE this during an election year when there is very little for Obama to crow about. Gas is high, we are still in Iraq and Afghanistan, and now he put us in Libya as well. Unemployment is still at a 30 year high. He has failed to deliver on many of the promises he made to get elected (promises that I was mostly against anyway). All of this is causing him trouble with his base. And I know how all of us feel about him.

I am old enough that I don't believe in coincidences much anymore. So I will dust off my tin foil hat and wonder if it is possible that Osama died when I thought he did and the (wise) decision was made (by the previous administration) to keep it quiet to prevent martyrdom and retaliation. But I hate being a conspiracy theorist all the time. So I don't know what to think..

It just leaves me with a nagging thought that we will never truly know now for sure who was killed in Pak-e-Stahn. .

If nothing else, the result is the same in my humblest of opinions.
1. Obama gets to make political hay out of this when the work was done by others
2. Now there is a real rallying cry for all the would-be terrorists out there
3. All the jubilant announcing of Osama's death will do is decrease our safety.

Just my thoughts, what are yours?

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teresamerica 68p · 726 weeks ago

You present some good questions and thoughts KOOK. Let's just say I am skeptical about the whole announcement of Osama's death. They buried the proof and expect us to take Obama's word at face value without proof. Although, both Bush and Cheney still get CIA briefings and they aren't questioning the news so... I don't know...

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Andrew33 103p · 726 weeks ago

Bush and Cheney knew when UBL was killed (Tora Bora 2001). They then used the fear of UBL to give us the Patriot Act, a second never ending war, and both a huge expansion in government power and erosion of constitutional rights, and ultimately they gave us OBAMA

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claybowler1 93p · 726 weeks ago

This was all about Obama's political gain. I am not even sure I believe the news story. Why did they bury him at sea when there was a $25 million bounty on him?

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Andrew33 103p · 726 weeks ago

The political "bump" BHO would get from this is too early and will be long forgotten by election time. However, I have stated before and again that UBL died in Tora Bora in 2001 and both the last and current administration used him as a "boogeymen" to undo huge portions of the Constitution. So why would have BHO played this now? Possibly because the biggest story otherwise would be the FEC investigation of BHO's 2008 campaign contributions as if he didn't have enough problems. I couldn't help but notice how quickly the drunken students were able to organize to support BHO as well. Hmmm...

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KOOK 91p · 726 weeks ago

I just really don't know. AD33 you make a good point, this is early to make good political hay out of it. I mean if you are going to script it; script it later.
Theresa- Also Cheney and Bush not saying anything against it. yeah. it would be a somewhat difficult conspiracy.

But the burial at sea thing disturbs me. The insta-crowd bothers me. Maybe that is why it took an hour for Obama to give his speech.

They are reporting it was done by Seal6. If that is the case then that makes it a little more believable. Those guys are more than human.

I don't know. Still feel blase about the whole thing. Certainly not jubilant or exultant.

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Andrew33 103p · 726 weeks ago

It's no different than Trump marching out 20minutes before BHO to tell us how proud he is of himself for singlehandedly forcing BHO to show his BC. That was clearly a dog and pony show and based on the droppings, so was the UBL death.

Now as for the political bump, I am leaning more towards cover because the big story of the week was going to be the FEC. Investigation into BHO's 2008 political campaign finance "irregularities" such as the fact that he took in so much money that every American donor both private and corporate could have maxed their limits and BHO could not have raised that much money. That means some came from illegal donors (SOROS) in the USA or illegal donors (Muslim Brotherhood) outside the USA

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Rick · 726 weeks ago

I have my doubts.I hope I am wrong.
I would not believe Obama swearing to anything on a stack of korans oops bibles.

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Andrew33 103p · 726 weeks ago

Anybody who doesn't have doubts with this regime isn't just drinking Kool-Aid, they are the Kool-Aid man (tm)

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deleted4448310 77p · 726 weeks ago

With all that has happened the past few years, I don't blame anyone for having suspicions.

I'm taking it for what it's worth, with a big thank you to the brave Americans who pulled off this flawless operation.

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Andrew33 103p · 726 weeks ago

That's true and I'm not inclined to make political hay out of this because our troops, many of whom have put in 4-5 or even 6 tours don't deserve to have "war" declared on them by bloggers or the resulting negative press. That is why despite my skepticism on this, I'm not pushing the issue. Let America celebrate one, we need a win with all the bad things happening lately.. Those troops are most deserving of a celebration. They have fought and given up their livelihoods, families, given up watching their children grow, despite my strong feelings on this issue for the troops who deserve a day of unity. So for once I am backing off this one

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Andrew33 103p · 726 weeks ago

That's true and I'm not inclined to make political hay out of this because our troops, many of whom have put in 4-5 or even 6 tours. Those troops are most deserving of a celebration. They have fought and given up their livelihoods, families, watching their Children grow up. the reason I am letting this go despite my strong feelings on this issue is for the troops who deserve a day of unity and celebration.

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TheConservativeLady 62p · 726 weeks ago

We should be celebrating our great Military. They are the true heroes.

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Andrew33 103p · 726 weeks ago

I agree whole heartedly, our soldiers deserve this day no matter which day UBL died :D

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Proof_Positive 111p · 726 weeks ago

"I hate that I don't feel...anything really". Not to worry. I feel pretty much the same way. I don't typically rejoice in the death of any human being, however deserving he might be. The same with rabid dogs, it just needs to be done. I was not unhappy that it happened, but not in a dancing in the street sort of way, like some. For one thing, I know that it isn't over. We removed a cog from the wheel on the GWOT. A pretty big cog, but not the wheel.

We should thank and indeed celebrate the ones who put their lives on the line to defend our country, and here at home, we need to strive to keep this nation one that is worth defending, by upholding the Constitution that they have sworn to uphold.

And work to elect a government next year that would make the Founding Fathers proud, or at least, not so profoundly embarrassed.

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Andrew33 103p · 726 weeks ago

The last part will be a tall order. I will be doing all I can to bring that about. I fear we have extended voting rights too far for that to happen. We are now at the point where 50% of us don't pay taxes, are therefore eligible and therefore are on government government programs and are too stupid to realize that those programs have a hidden cost that hasn't revealed itself yet.
If somebody wants to collect welfare and live off the government, fine. They get drug testing, lose their license to drive and lose the right to vote.
If we don't "sour the milk", the 50% of the country that needs to wean will not. People in true need of such government help do not need to worry about little things like voting and cannot afford recreational drugs and car insurance because they are broke and are simply trying to feed the families.
Unfortunately, we are taking no such action and those who get the "free" government perks will inevitably vote for those who promise to keep those government perks intact. They will be especially motivated in 2012 because the Govt. will use those programs roles as mailing lists to send warning mail demonizing those running for office wanting to cut such programs. So we may win the election, but the win won't be enough to win the war on liberalism.

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KOOK 91p · 726 weeks ago

Extremely insightful comment. Thank you, Proof

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Andrew33 103p · 725 weeks ago

The longer and more twisted this story gets, the more inclined I am to believe my initial thoughts on this that it is a grand dog and pony show so BHO can at least get to celebrate a win as pResident before he gets sent packing in a massive way in 2012.

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JDS · 725 weeks ago

No body, no proof. I leave it at that.

Oh well, actually I don't leave it at that -- if he IS dead, regardless of when his death took place, I am glad, and I did do a little dance and utter some whoops of joy and display my happiness. Why? Because I bet money that when the World Trade towers went down and thousands of people died, Bin Laden was shouting it up and happy, as were millions of mooslims in those nations, and even in our own. So yes, I DO believe it is right to show joy and happiness in the death of this pig of a coward of a creature I refuse to call human.

And let me add, if I had been on Seal6, I would have personally pulled it out and pissed on his dead body, right there and then!

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KOOK 91p · 725 weeks ago

Ok, at some level I definitely do agree with you.

But I think this is what makes us better than them. Sure, they whooped it up and partied when the towers fell: they are monsters.

We did a job that needed doing, a dirty, tough, nasty job. It is done. A sigh of relief, a little feeling of regret, but safe in the knowledge the world is a little cleaner now- so a little pride in that.

Then I might have whipped it out and peed on him...cause hey, I said we are better, not perfect.

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Andrew33 103p · 725 weeks ago

I would have aimed for the bullet hole in his head, if I was there, if "seal team 6" exists, (before now there were only 2), if UBL was there and if they actually killed him. Personally, I can't help but notice how the seal team (experts in demolitions, right?) left just enough of a PROTOTYPE APACHE STEALTH HELICOPTER there so that metallurgical and design analysis can be performed successfully. So did we really catch UBL or did we trade our next gen military hardware to a rogue nuclear power whose trustworthiness is laffable for a political win for chairman zero?

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Andrew33 103p · 724 weeks ago

I must correct an error here. I mistakenly thought the Helo that made a "hard landing" was the very real and among our most prized military secrets and that is the "stealth" apache attack and rescue helicopter. The chopper left in Afganistan was apparently a mothballed (shelved) stealth project based on the far more complicated "blackhawk" attack helicopter. The Apache is a far more versatile platform and will be much cheaper to build. The choice to go with the Apache was supposedly based on the idea that 3 of the latter could be built in the same time and cost of one of the former and in wartime, technology is important but you can't win a war when your opponent has such superior numbers that they can afford to lose a hundred units to your one no matter how great your technology is, just ask Adolph. America and Russia beat Nazi Germany by using huge numbers of manpower and materials that were technologically inferior to German equipment. Ultimately, a German "panzer" (panther) or tiger tank could kill a US Sherman tank with one shell, while it often took up to 30 of our shells to kill a panzer. By 1943 (the middle of world war 2), US factories were rolling out 2 sherman tanks for every single shell manufactured by the reich. Now if the United States were to get into a war with China, we would fall victim to the same lack of industry and arrogant reliance of technology over numbers as the 3rd reich. While the government doesn't see (or wants to forget) this, Lockheed Martin and Northrup (the main suppliers in military technology) see this and have designs ready when or if the calls for low tech mass production military hardware come. The fact is we need to continue with the technological superiority and at the same time have equipment that can be mass produced cheaply and in huge numbers to match the combined production of China, Iran, Pakistan, North Korea and Venezuela combined. That will be the alliance that we next face in war and right now they are vastly outpacing us in both development and manufacturing.

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KOOK 91p · 724 weeks ago

And I think you are thinking of the Comanche- not the Apache.

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Andrew33 103p · 724 weeks ago

The Apache is (i would think the least likely platform) the one they seem to be going with. I'm going in for my MRI in a few minutes so I am not at all medicated causing getting things i have read to come out backwards at the moment. I had not heard about ST6 but in hindsight it makes since.

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KOOK 91p · 724 weeks ago

Seal Team 6 exists buddy. There were only two until Seal team 6 was created by Richard Marcincko to specifically deal in counterterror. He named it Six as a psyop tactic to make enemies wonder if there were more and also as an in joke as to where they were (on your six, or look behind you).

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Andrew33 103p · 724 weeks ago

I think you know I watch/read enough sic-fi and military material to understand 6 as in 6 o'clock or behind but for others it is a good bit of info.

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KOOK 91p · 724 weeks ago

yep

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