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Well, as your designated liberal, yes, there are several Democrats in Congress who I don't agree with (many of the Blue Dogs, a couple of DINOs, and artificial independents like Droopy Lieberman - the jury's still out on Specter, but I've never been impressed).

Oh, sorry, that wasn't the question you asked, just the one you implied. Because it seems to me that much of the "corruption" you're talking about here is just philosophical differences and big chunks of artificial outrage because a complex situation seems to go against some simplistic analogy you've created. (Example - you keep saying that government-run healthcare will be like going to the DMV, but your side of the aisle is the first to shout somebody down as a "traitor" or for "hating America" if they say anything even remotely negative about the military, which is also government-run.)

(By the way, judging from my little walks around the conservative side of the web, "socialism" is still a bad thing, right? Well, every year, ex-Governor Palin, just like every governor before her for the past twenty or thirty years, has taken the profits from the oil companies, and mailed them to the people of Alaska in the form of benefit checks. Ms Palin never spoke out against it. Isn't that "socialism"?)

On the other hand, if you're talking about bribery, lying, and actual legally-defined crimes, yes, I'm opposed to them. Weirdly enough (and you may not be old enough to remember this) there was a time in American history when people wanted to clear up the corruption in government, not just in one party.

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KOOK 91p · 821 weeks ago

Just so I am clear, you are comparing the military with the DMV? The military is a legitamate function of government; whereas, the DMV is not. But anyway, corruption knows no political party; just the greedy and weak minded. If it just so happens that more are Democrats we cant help that.

KOOK 91p · 821 weeks ago

OH there is nothing artificial about my outrage...

Andrew33 103p · 821 weeks ago

The comments KOOK made are oriented towards those in power and those trying to silence all debate on the issues. (Basically the extreme on your side) You do not seem to be in that category as of now. You can easily see us attacking those who are corrupt on our side. Do you do the same for the corruption on your side or do the ends justify the means? We don't feel that way.

Andrew33 103p · 821 weeks ago

Actually I am talking more about Dems like Dodd and Frank who got loans at unheard of interest rates from countrywide on sweetheart property deals, Then there is the Chairman of the ways and means commitee that is facing indictments on corruption charges, Obama's entire cabinet forgetting to pay it's taxes, William Jefferson having 90K in his fridge, now the EPA is under investigation for releasing fraudulent pollution/climate info. I can go on alot more than this and will if you want me too, but the point here is that we on our side want a clean house. AIt is my hope that there are folks on your side that feel the same way.
As for Sarah giving a tax cut or refund to those in her state, I am all for it. The oil being drilled is a natural resource belonging to the state. the state belongs to the taxpayers so the taxpayers who live and work there deserve that money. It is their money. The "stimulus" money was to go to the taxpayers. There was basically 100K spent per taxpayer. How much of that did you get. I didn't get a dime of it. I don't know anyone that got a dime of it. You want to stimulate the economy, give the taxpayers' money to the taxpayers. When Frank and Dodd talk about Tarp being repaid to the taxpayers, I have yet to see my check in the mail for the tarp repayment. Which taxpayers get paid back when tarp gets paid back. At least when Palin promised that the taxpayers would benefit from the new contracts allowing companies to drill for oil in Alaska, she kept her promise. Actually there are lots of things that are already socialized that are not so bad, but most that are not military or police end up being money pits that waste more than they benefit. If government did things efficiently, I would have no problem with more government, but that is not the case. We pay untold amounts of money in gasoline taxes meant to fix roads yet our bridges and roads are crumbling while congressmen seem to wind up with 90K in their freezer, governors buy prostitutes and senators pay next to nothing for land and own apartments tax free. Meanwhile it takes 3 hours to get a picture taken at the DMV and all the money my parents generation paid into social security and medicare is gone. Sounds to me like we should put health care under the close eye of the same people that have done all the rest of this, right?

The Alaskan oil money doesn't bother you? The oil companies lease the land, which should be the state's entire input into the process, shouldn't it? Keep the government out of the way of the companies?. But instead, the oil companies, under the all-holy Free Market, have to take the profits they make, and feed them back into the system, and it get's sent to the people of Alaska. In the form of checks. This isn't a tax refund - land taxes are specifically excluded from the Permanent Fund. It's company profits distributed to people who did nothing to earn them.

By your definition, that sounds a lot like Socialism.

KOOK 91p · 821 weeks ago

Close, but no cigar. Alaska is mostly public land. The drilling contracts include profit sharing. The money USED to go to government; which was an undue influence toward malfeasance. Palin is sending budget surpluses back to the stakeholders (the people) as she believes the money is theirs. Contrast that with the Tarp repayment money checks you have received...oh wait, haven't gotten any. The Fed will NEVER send a surplus back to taxpayers, and please do not say that is what a tax refund is.

Andrew33 103p · 821 weeks ago

The oil companies lease the land that becauuse of the horrible policies of F.D.R., belong to the state and federal government. Since the people "techincally" own the land and therefore the resources that come with it, they should receive a portion of the revenues that come with the leases that the oil companies use to extract the resources that belong to the "people." If things were done the right way, people should be able to buy the land and lease it to the oil companies themselves but the Federal Government stepped in and blocked any such action before Alaska became a state knowing how much oil was there and also knowing that such money should go to the government, not the people. Sarah Palin figured out a way to correct one of the many injustices of the federal takeover of land that belongs to the people. When I say people, I mean the individuals, not the "people" government. When it is said that money goes to the taxpayers from stimulus or tarp, how much did any of you get. Bank of America says they paid the taxpayers back but I do not know anybody who got a check in the mail from that return. Socialism is the taking of the land by the Federal Government. Sarah Palin is at least trying to reimburse the people for the resources being taken from the state for which the Federal government makes obscene profits, yet the people see nothing of it. (That is usually the end result of socialism)
The socialist land being leased to huge corporations is actually fascism (Big government combining with big corporations)

KOOK 91p · 821 weeks ago

Great comment joel, that is what i was trying to say but this accursed pda is P1$$1n6 me off

Andrew33 103p · 821 weeks ago

The Alaskan oil money doesn't bother me 1 bit because that is taking money being pocketed by the government and giving it to the hard working taxpayers who drive the economy and I would rather se money go to people over the government anytime. Notice that Alaska is doing far better than most other states fiscally and financially than other states like California for instance.

Duke Fan 1 17p · 821 weeks ago

Go Sarah

Andrew33 103p · 821 weeks ago

You keep talking about my side of the aisle. You do realize that our elected officials work for us so the entire aisle is my side. We are not a blog of Republican vs Democrat or "left vs right" but a blog about right vs wrong. I do not care what party a representative is, if they do a good job, great, if not then they get criticized. I was not a big Bush supporter. I know this comes as a shock to you but my biggest problem with Obama is runaway spending. Now if Obama does it, and it's wrong, was it okay when Bush did it? I do not appreciate being lumped in with Kool-Aid drinkers from either side. I am not doing so with you, so why are you doing so with us. As I told my fellow bloggers here, insults will not be tolerated here. I have and will treat you with respect, so please do so with me. Thank you.

Name one member here who has called you a traitor or an America hater on this blog and they will face my wrath. If you cannot do so, I suggest you apologize to everyone here as we do not engage in childish name calling here and will not tolerate any such actions. At the same time we will not be accused of doing so either. We cannot speak for those not members of this blog and should not be expected to take responsibility for their childish actions that we did not condone.

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Well, gee. It's hard to tell how you felt about Bush, since the earliest record I'm finding is March of this year, and don't have your name on them. But that's OK.

How about this? I mean, admittedly not directed at me personally, but I've only just checked in; I'm sure that the insults will come. But remember, this particular liberal spent 21 years in the military, upholding and protecting the core principles of our country. Let's see:

A liberal does not believe in the founding principles of this country, and think this should "change". POSTED BY THE KEEPER OF ODD KNOWLEDGE (KOOK) AT 3/20/2009

Liberals hate Christians because liberalism is a RELIGION. POSTED BY THE KEEPER OF ODD KNOWLEDGE (KOOK) AT 3/11/2009

I believe that the liberal/progressive movement is Evil. POSTED BY THE KEEPER OF ODD KNOWLEDGE (KOOK) AT 3/11/2009

Liberals are Hippies and old school Vietnam war protestors. Period. POSTED BY THE KEEPER OF ODD KNOWLEDGE (KOOK) AT 3/11/2009 (Geez. Busy day for him. Or was that just when the clocks got reset or something?)

And that was just his first month. Liberals always bad, conservatives always good. You wanted one person. How about the guy on the masthead?

So why might I feel like I was in a hostile environment?

I'm just curious.

I do, however, realize that I was a little glib in that last answer. I have not been called names here. That is true.

However, given the conservative/liberal divide I listed above, why would I not consider this a conservative site, despite the additional libertarian trappings? And if you've spent any time on my site, you'll see that I cheerfully document my wanderings through the conservative side of the world. I think it's clear what my experiences have been.

Besides, I said "your side of the aisle." I can give examples, as I've said. I didn't say you personally - just the people you choose to align yourself with. So why do you want a personal apology?

KOOK 91p · 821 weeks ago

NC...there is a huge difference between someone who is a left leaning moderate type and a far left liberal moral relativist. There is a solid contingent of far leftist liberals who absolutely feel that way. Most in hollywood, large portions of academia, a big percentage in the bureaucracy. I am speaking of the Bill Ayers, Wright, Sharpton, Pfleger, Pivens, Pelosi, Frank, Garafolo, Moore contigent of your team...just so you can understand the company you are allied with.

As far as Bush, he was a boob, not a true conservative, listened to the wrong people, did a lot of dumb things, and royally screwed up the economy along with all of congress and massive failures of the bureaucracy. I also believe he had integrity, loves this country, and kept us safe.

Since you are reading my old material you will know that I started writing before i started blogging. I started writing some time back in September...you know about the time that Bush "had to abandon the free market principles to save the free market" that was the beginning of my pulling my head from the sand. Bush telling people to spend money after 9-11 was absolutely moronic as well.

Sure, I have said some harsh and un pc things. And I will continue to do so, because that is what the evidence shows. But I do not bash anyone who will honestly discuss things in a spirit of debate. Mild pg-13 language will never be an issue. Ad hominem attacks against anyone will get whoever it is booted. Behavior like on Huff po or Kos is not going to fly here.

I appreciate you even if I do not agree with you on certain things. The fact that you will even discuss these issues in a rational way says a lot about your character. The fact that you can frame a cogent argument puts you ahead of many that I would label as the useful idiot liberals. Now, if we can just get you to understand that you are forging your own chains of bondage with natl health care and cap and tax.

I am not a republican or a democrat; I am an American, my views are constitutionalist libertarian and I just want ALL of usto prosper...Based on Individual Effort

clay · 821 weeks ago

I hope you are right, but I am not as optimistic.

It was good meeting you today!

Andrew33 103p · 821 weeks ago

NC, you said that the insults will come. If I wanted to insult you, believe me, you would know it. We want real honest debate here. We will be as fair to you as you will be to us. Saying that all our material is "liberal bad, conservative good" does not seem to indicate that you have given our blog a fair shake. We have been nothing but fair to you. Please do the same for us.

One thought, almost entirely unrelated to the comments above. And I'm not clear why this is - it might be an issue with the format.

I actually like the "threaded responses" format you have here - if I ever get around to tinkering with my blog, I may consider it. But the comments above read like somebody wrote them all out on 3x5 cards, and then took around 10% of them and sorted them randomly. (This doesn't seem to be an issue with "response" posts, just "parent" posts.) Is this a fixable issue?

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KOOK 91p · 821 weeks ago

I don't know why it does that. It is probably something that I am doing, or something i have set wrong. But installing intense debate is dirt simple. And thanks for the compliment

Andrew33 103p · 821 weeks ago

Thank you and I appreciate your dissenting opinions. We want good debate here. We are not for the so-called "right" or "left" but we are for right vs. wrong. We also believe in the Constitution and free speech is a guarantee with that one. As time went on, you have put up a better argument on climate than certain people that I have debated that lets just say work for a T.V network owned by NBC that specializes in this topic that Specializes in this subject. Still, an argument that debate should continue is much easier to prove than an argument that all debate should stop. I will give you credit that you have proven to me that you are doing your homework on the climate debate. I hope that that feeling is mutual. We want more liberals to come here and debate us. There may be some issues where you have good ideas. You may find that we as independents and honest thinkers. Glen Beck who, I'm sure you hate is pushing for a "summit" of sorts between people on all sides of the political spectrum. The goal is to take the best ideas from all sides and combine them. You see we aren't attacking you, you see we are welcoming you as another member of our blog just like ay other member to our blog. We want to make America better, not shut out half the country. I hope that after our fair debate on climate change (notice that I did not rewrite your posts and make lies out of them as many other blogs would.) I hope that between that and our welcome extended to you, maybe you will see us and those with us as being different. I believe we are a special bunch here and I am totally blessed to be a part of this and I hope you find your experiences here both educational and enjoyable.

Andrew33 103p · 821 weeks ago

By the way, when you see a "+ 1" next to your name it means that someone appreciated your comment. It doesnt mean we agree, just that you made a good valid point. We respect each other here and give each other plusses any time a well articulated point is made.I gave you 2 +1s today as you made two valid points, I didn't agree with them, but they were valid so I gave you deserved respect. That is how KOOK and I have 68 and 75 next to our names is because of of our so-called reputations. I hope that one day you have a similar score.

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