I am finding myself suffering from Obama fatigue or even just sheer government idiocy fatigue. After watching the State of the Union Address, it appears Obama is poised to continue off the cliff. The only real question remains how many of us he succeeds in taking with him, how much of his agenda can be blunted and what exactly will happen in the 2010 elections. Until then, it is a watching and waiting game. Hoping also. Hoping that enough Americans awake and embrace liberty. But it seems the further one is from true liberty the less they know it's true meaning or can even envision what it would look like in it's practical form.
If liberty were to come, there is even the gamble that many would reject it in it's whole.
Some time ago, I read a piece by Solzhentsyn in which he said many people in this country believed their carefree life would continue on forever, unabated, no matter what they did. It was a keen observation. The way they were raised by parents in a country of unprecedented comfort and wealth that spoiled them. Not only their way of life but an improvement of it was a conditioned expectation. In reality, freedom can not survive irresponsibility.
Socialism and big government foster that irresponsibility. Socialism is an ideology wherein everyone owns each other, but, ultimately, nobody owns themselves. Everyone is owned by a coalition of resentful busibodies, leeches, incompetents, and demagogues. However, the idea of not owning one's self is attractive especially if they are free to engage in vice. Vice is then repackaged as a substitute for freedom.
I would guess it holds true that many conservatives or libertarians can admit to once being more socialist in nature. Growing up in upstate New York I was always intuitively more conservative than nearly anyone I encountered. That being said, the tide all around me was so low, that all things relative, my beliefs were pretty statist, looking back. My first tour of living in Europe cured me of any leftward idealists thoughts I might have. I saw first hand the discrepancy between our lives and what, in reality, was another of the "richest" nations lives. There was no comparison and the backwardness of their societies was palpable.
My abject fear of ever having such a society foisted upon us made me more nationalist, certainly jingoistic. Having the luxury of time I was able to ferret out the differences and feel out the small day to day nuances. For instance, watching as a man refused to move simple box 100 feet because moving boxes was not in his contract was a one day cure-all for any union sympathies I might have had. Also watching my neighbor take a full six weeks off of work for hay fever as he spent his days reading the paper and taking every meal out in his garden was another memorable eye opening observation. Observing human nature as it was, not as I wanted to believe it should be, was key in understanding the failures of collectivism.
As it is, no one talked me out of socialism. Like most, I had children, got a mortgage and saw how confiscatory it was to the typical family. Realistically, it took years to go from "talking point repeating drone" to conservative. Even still my political awareness is evolving. I am still recognizing the places where I accept the premise of an authoritarian big government. The places where, I myself, may reject liberty.
February 01, 2010
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Obama Fatigue, Liberty and Political Transformations. All Three Not Necessarily Related
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KOOK 91p · 791 weeks ago
Andrew33 103p · 791 weeks ago
Joe G · 790 weeks ago
Also admire your equation of legalizing a harmless drug like marijuana, gay marriage, and abortion rights with "vices". Not only are you entirely dismissive of other people's rights to hold different belief systems from you, but you go on to speculate wildly about things that would never happen in this country provided the resources to maintain our consumptive lifestyles continue to be plentiful. Some great libertarian stylin' there!
Andrew33 103p · 790 weeks ago
First, I am for decriminalization of pot, by the way, but that doesn't change the fact that drugs, alcohol and things like prostitution are vices and offer nothing positive to a great society, and in fact were the undoing of the Roman and Chinese empires. Study a little history. You are the one pushing views on me that are totally biased and untrue. I suggest that you go over to the other post about gay marriage and actually read my comments on gay marriage where I state that we should GET THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF MARRIAGES ALTOGETHER AND THEN LET CHURCHES DECIDE HOW THEY WANT TO VIEW MARRIAGE. So you are both name calling, and wrong. It is people like you, spreading lies that make liberals in this country look bad. I hope that next time you come over here just to attack somebody, you will take a little more time to look over their views before you attack wrongfully as you just made yourself look like a total idiot and gave me one heck of a laugh in the process. (and by the way, the 2ply vs 4 ply debate rages on, hee hee...)
KOOK 91p · 790 weeks ago
kmbr · 790 weeks ago
More seriously, I lean heavily libertarian. However, there is a huge spectrum of libertarian thought. I've seen libertarians defend adult sex with children as long as the child was consenting and actually read from forums where they condone it as almost a nurturing act.
So, some people's idea of libertarian thought makes me long for something closer to Singapore. Hence the term "small L libertarian"
Andrew33 103p · 790 weeks ago
KOOK 91p · 790 weeks ago
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Joe G · 790 weeks ago
Seriously though, you seem to have assumed an awful lot about my beliefs from one post, and provided me with defensive and (again) paranoid replies. I'm not sure where I pushed any views on y'all, I just critiqued the things that were said. Surely that's why people post their thoughts on the internet? To create conversation? Or is this just shouting into the void?
I happen to agree that the government should just do civil unions rather than marriages, but that would never fly with the fundamentalists in this country.
The Roman and Chinese empires (which Chinese empire?) fell for myriad reasons. To imagine that prostitution caused the fall of the Roman empire isn't even in the realm of reducing a complex story to a simplistic idea, it's like you haven't even started talking about the topic yet. Also it is a topic I think is pretty much irrelevant except in the interest of historical study.
Andrew33 103p · 790 weeks ago
Chinese empire I was speaking of was the same Chinese Empire that lost the opium war to England, while attempting to prevent vice from spreading through it's lands. The loss of the opium war and treaty signed because of that loss allowed England to sell as much indian grown opium as it wanted, enslaving the Chinese people to addiction for generations. So, you come here with bad history, and even worse insults and yet we have not retaliated towards you in any way. I think you are the one that is paranoid simply because you are in a fight that you and your ideology can't win. You believe that there is no such thing as right or wrong, (as long as that suits your agenda) and that is simply wrong. So, prove me wrong. Explain why your ideology is so superior. In fact you have yet to even explain your ideology, as you have done nothing but tell us why we are wrong.
KOOK 91p · 790 weeks ago
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