June 15, 2009

You know what we all are? An Army without a Standard Bearer

Yep, got my tinfoil hat on, watching my DVR'd Glenn Beck and other right wing hate mongering propaganda... Cleaning my gun.

There was a gentlemen on Beck that was talking about everyone who attended his tea parties signing basically a call sheet to be ready for mobilization and it kind of hit home for me.

We are all minutemen, like in the revolutionary times. We are an army ready to take this nation back from the Progressive Statists who want us to live in Bolshevickian (I made that up but it sounds cool) Bliss.

What we do not have is someone to carry our flag, a Standard Bearer. We do not have an applicant pool from which to choose from.

We MUST find this person, or these people so we can coalesce behind them and get this country back on track.

Another thing Glenn said was that there was no difference in direction between Dems and Reps only speed. I think that is true as well.
Posted by KOOK on 6/15/2009



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Opus #6 · 824 weeks ago

I agree that it is a problem not having a spokerperson/leader for the conservative movement. And it may also be a strength. Not identifying our leader saves them from attack. One person may be vilified, humiliated and scorned (see Sarah Palin's treatment via Tina Fey). It is hard to freeze the enemy and polarize it (Alinsky tactics) when the enemy is average American people. That is a really hard sell. It will be hard for us to hang on and trust that a good leader will arise from the crowd. I am hoping for someone Reaganesque. But we have to hang on and keep the faith. We have no choice.
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blackandgoldfan · 824 weeks ago

Maybe we could bring Reagan back a la "Weekend at Bernie's". :-)
Our strength lies in unity. Then we, as a group, become the one voice of leadership until we find our own Neo.
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KOOK 91p · 824 weeks ago

there is no spoon.
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Andrew33 103p · 824 weeks ago

Hold on a second....what happened to saving the republicans? Everytime I mention 3rd party you say 3rd parties equal losses. I am almost positive that I hear a little 3rd party egg about to hatch in KOOK's brain. I mean until 2008, Democrats taxed and Republicans spent but they at least preteneded to act like they listened to us. Now, they (both parties) have given us all a 10 trilllion dollar middle finger and told us we better like it.
Guess what....I don't like it. You know what else....You folks dont like it either. In 1992, We had an attempt at a 3rd party. Perot knew what we all know now; that Bush41 and Clinton were the same guy. The problem then was We weren't mad enough to get the pitchforks out. Now there is a very different mood. Obama hasn't been in 6 month yet and we are planning 2 marches on Washington. So now you folks need to ask yourself: am I ready to get the pitchfork out because that is what it is going to take to fix our country. This is nothing new. It has happened several times in our past where the old parties became mirror images of themselves, stopped listening to the people and new parties emerged. Reagan was able to build the conservative coalition because the people were tired of the misery index and they were ready to get the pitchforks out and he did it within the Republican party. He dragged them kicking and screaming but he got it done. Well..The Republicans have relapsed and are back on the crack of spending our money as fast as they can print it. So the question I have been dancing around is how many more times are we going to stick the elephants in rehab and get them sobered up before we give up and kick them out. For me as a Constitutionalist, the elephants just keep pooping in my yard and I am tired of shoveling elephant dung.
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blackandgoldfan · 824 weeks ago

Maybe Sarah Palin on the Libretarian ticket? Heaven knows if the GOP doesn't give us someone like her, a third party may be our only option. Palin/Jindal Libretarian ticket....right now, I'd buy what they're selling!
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KOOK 91p · 824 weeks ago

So would I but tht would make it easier for the dems to win...it would ensure that neither the libertarian ticket nor republican would win
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Andrew33 103p · 824 weeks ago

Sarah Palin as a Constitutionalist winning the Republican nomination would be a winning strategy. I agree we need to pull the Republicans but they aren't scared of us enough to be pulled yet. That is why we need to march on Washington in huge numbers on 9/12. We need scenes here like the ones coming out of Iran. Someone could run as a "Constutionalist Republican" so that they would be in the primary race but against the establishment. People are turning against the entire Washington establishment no matter the party.
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Andrew33 103p · 824 weeks ago

The only way a pure 3rd part becomes viable is if things get so bad that nobody will vote for Obama. That would take a war needing a draft along with 6$ a gallon gas and runaway inflation. My idea of a 3rd party is more of a faction of a major party, likely the Republicans trying to steer the party in a new direction. Reagan was in a faction of the Repubs and built a coalition of other factions of both parties which became the "Conserative Coalition". If this is to happen again, the foundation for it needs to happen now so that in 2 years everything is ready. Reagan spent 76-79 building the "conservative coalition".
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KOOK 91p · 824 weeks ago

Nope. Third Parties = LOSING. We have to find a person that can infiltrate the Republican party and make it REPUBLICAN again. I tell you folks the Names mean everything. Republicans are not standing for a Republic right now. Democrats are definitely for the classic definition of Democracy = Mob Rule.

Reagan didn't need a third party. We don't either. We need a CANDIDATE. Once we find one and support and mobilize then it will not matter what the PARTY wants.

So sorry, I still think third parties = lose. I have thought that since Perot. Perot should have won. The reason he didnt AND the reason Bush didnt again was because of the Third Party Syndrome.
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Andrew33 103p · 824 weeks ago

Perot just ran as an independent. People looked at Bush and Clinton and saw the same guy, just like in 2008. Were there tea parties happening in 92 with thousands of people? Were thousands of independent blogs emerging daily? We are in a very different political climate than in 1992. Then after Perot got more than 1/3rd of the vote, he left politics. He wasnt a 3rd party, he was just an independent. Now there is massive voter anger. There are more independents now than Dems and Repubs combined. If 3rd parties = losing, why aren't you a whig or a federalist? Those parties disappeared because both parties quit listening to the people so the people started a party that would listen. Perot didn't win because he didn't organize a party to go with his candidacy. There was no party with a platform and a reason to join. It was just vote for Perot because he is a good businessman and knows economics. We were just coming out of the Reagan party years and everything was hunkey dorey. Perot just showed that there was no difference between Bush and Clinton. Remember "Read My Lips, No new Taxes" (unless the Dems want them). Bush didn't win because of him not finishing the job in Iraq, Raising taxes, and inaction following hurricane ANDREW. Reagan created a third party by gathering up religious conservatives, economic conservatives, and social conservatives. He deliberately excluded "liberal" Republicans except for giving Bush VP. Remember how contentious the 80 Republican primary was? Bush called Reagan's plan to lower taxes "voodoo economics" which sounds alot like what we have now. Remember how many lifelong Dems voted for Reagan and became Republicans? they didn't become the Republicans of pre-1980, they became the Republicans of the party of Reagan. Before Reagan, Republicans were big governent northerners. Perot was an aberration caused by an unpopular president that followed on of the best in history. Now we have 2 parties that are no different at their core. Do we want to slow the policies of Obama or reverse them because the Republicans have showed only that they will slow them. Now like in 1810s, and 1850's we have 2 parties that dont care one bit about us. We know what happened then. What will happen if we don't put our collective foot down? Nothing will change.
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KOOK 91p · 824 weeks ago

Dude...that should have been a post...i have to read that again later
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KOOK 91p · 824 weeks ago

I just feel like we all have our uniforms, and muskets, and we are standing in a field somewhere. We see the enemy and he has a smaller army, but they are making so much more noise. And we are standing there rearing to go....and we have no one carry our flag.
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KOOK 91p · 824 weeks ago

We are an army without a Standard Bearer... I am editing my post title now.

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